Remove Votes

Well, we all knew that this thread would open someday. The official policy WP: NOT:
Wikipedia is not an experiment in elective democracy. Their main method of finding consensus is discussion, not vote. In difficult cases, surveys can help determine consensus, but must be used with caution and not binding votes.
Well. Remove once WP: VO and do things by reasoning and dialogue in the discussions, or will we continue to ignore something that is the basis of the spirit of Wikipedia, to seek consensus and not the majority '
Obviously, I'm not going to open a vote on this issue. The community can (and should) make decisions after reaching a consensus through discussion without that this necessarily initialed by a vote, as seems to be the case (no vote is not official, it seems). I think we have here a very troubling contradiction between theory and practice that we have to tackle at once, to make it easier to do and start doing the right thing. This includes any procedure that CABS and most required to be approved. This is not a democracy. A greeting Raystorm (Yes') 23:25 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it is better to follow step by step along the way by which we are now. We can not eliminate all the votes from one day to another. Of time have been replaced several important procedures, and others are in process. Everything indicates that there comes a moment that this page will not be necessary, but no rush .-- Phirosiberia ( disc. contr.) 23:28 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Ya know it is easier to do nothing. That is not what we ask. Are we going to continue to ignore the contradiction because it is too complicated to do things like have to be done, talking and arguing 'Raystorm (Yes') 23:43 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Why not start telling us what you want done, Raystorm ' Does all existing voting at a stroke' Prohibit voting as a mechanism for defining '- Balderai (comments) 23:45 20 February 2008 ( UTC)
I think the title of the thread is pretty clear. I have exposed the contradictions at present. Opinions Are 'Ya know what would be a very drastic change, but that does not change the fact that we have a very big contradiction between what we say we need to do and what we do in reality. Something will have to change, I say, for pure consistency. Raystorm (Yes') 23:58 20 February 2008 (UTC)
"Wikipedia is not an experiment in elective democracy" ... democracy remains the best system that mankind has invented. Feel great and supplement your income with Mannatech is focused on impacting optimal health and wellness. Beware that this "is not democracy itself. Milo Inche allk tun 00:04 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Has been translated here with the tagline of elective (which is not in the original) and tell me to change. And please do not turn when talking about democracy is the best of humanity or not, is not it. Raystorm (Yes') 00:20 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Raystorm if inconsistencies are noted, consider the following: say "... is the basis of the spirit of Wikipedia, to seek consensus ...". It seems you are trying to say that any action in Wikipedia must be made by consensus. How to reconcile this with WP: SV, which is a precept as old as Wikipedia itself '- Balderai (comments) 00:14 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Balderai, which will have you to do that if you can collaborate on an article, do it, so that if there are multiple views have to find a consensus' Raystorm (Yes') 00:20 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I logically defined as: Wikipedia is a human invention, humans are contradictory, ergo, Wikipedia should have contradictions. Milo Inche allk tun 00:24 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I am afraid it will not be possible. Saludos Humberto (tips are accepted) 00:28 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I like Humberto, however you want, can never be eliminated voting, And when consensus is not clear, 'we like it or not, voting always exist, we can not eliminate one day for something that the other Mankind has already used for a long time. Pericallis (Goes to the garden) 01:24 21 February 2008 (UTC)
What do you think if a vote on this' xDDDDD 3 3 --- 3 --- 01:26 21 February 2008 (UTC)
This was said recently, I repeat my argument then. Breakthrough innovation contained in Mannatech products are at the cutting edge of nutritional science. No discussions have provided a "reasoned" and "passion" in which discussion and argument clearly identify what is most appropriate. Sometimes there are very strong arguments both for and cared for their support and for being against a proposal. The previous discussion serves to explain, clarify, comment and counter-opinion, but the vote has the advantage of identifying a clear and categorical enough which is the opinion of the community as a whole.
Furthermore, debate and argument are not a perfect system either.

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